Comments on: Day 4: Exodus 19:4-6 http://rtbt.bostonvineyard.org/2009/03/05/day-4-exodus-194-6/ A Community of People Discussing the Bible Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:15:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Ryan.Leach http://rtbt.bostonvineyard.org/2009/03/05/day-4-exodus-194-6/comment-page-1/#comment-210 Ryan.Leach Sun, 08 Mar 2009 10:25:37 +0000 http://rtbt.bostonvineyard.org/?p=1523#comment-210 I just did a search on "in the world, but not of the world", that's the Christianism that popped into my head after reading this. Found a great sermon summary from John Piper I thought I'd share: Do Not Be Conformed to This World [http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2004/176_Do_Not_Be_Conformed_to_This_World/]. He talks about the tension between: "The Indigenous Principle and the Pilgrim Principle", which is what I think you're getting at here, Brian when you say: "Pray... that we would strongly identify with our nation’s secular culture, without by any means losing touch with God." That bit tweaked my "raised as a good Christian" nose a bit, which is great. I have looong struggled with this tension, often choosing one side or the other due to the difficulty of getting my head around it. Interesting side note... I just noticed the favicon on that sight for John piper is four arrows pointing inwards, which reminds me of the vector principal that our church subscribes to: the non-exclusionary idea that we are not "in" or "out" of the saved club, but rather all humans at different points either pointing more or less towards Christ. This had a huge effect on my ability to live out this tension. It puts the "Christian" team back on the same playing field as the rest of humanity. I just did a search on “in the world, but not of the world”, that’s the Christianism that popped into my head after reading this. Found a great sermon summary from John Piper I thought I’d share: Do Not Be Conformed to This World [http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Sermons/ByDate/2004/176_Do_Not_Be_Conformed_to_This_World/]. He talks about the tension between: “The Indigenous Principle and the Pilgrim Principle”, which is what I think you’re getting at here, Brian when you say: “Pray… that we would strongly identify with our nation’s secular culture, without by any means losing touch with God.” That bit tweaked my “raised as a good Christian” nose a bit, which is great. I have looong struggled with this tension, often choosing one side or the other due to the difficulty of getting my head around it.

Interesting side note… I just noticed the favicon on that sight for John piper is four arrows pointing inwards, which reminds me of the vector principal that our church subscribes to: the non-exclusionary idea that we are not “in” or “out” of the saved club, but rather all humans at different points either pointing more or less towards Christ. This had a huge effect on my ability to live out this tension. It puts the “Christian” team back on the same playing field as the rest of humanity.

]]> By: Tim Thomas http://rtbt.bostonvineyard.org/2009/03/05/day-4-exodus-194-6/comment-page-1/#comment-202 Tim Thomas Thu, 05 Mar 2009 18:18:00 +0000 http://rtbt.bostonvineyard.org/?p=1523#comment-202 Comparing this passage (v 6) to 1 Peter 2:9 - Perhaps the Christian community similarly is to be a blessing in the two ways Brian mentioned: a model home ("a people to be his very own" - ISV) and as spokespeople ("to proclaim the wonderful deeds" - ISV). Comparing this passage (v 6) to 1 Peter 2:9 - Perhaps the Christian community similarly is to be a blessing in the two ways Brian mentioned: a model home (”a people to be his very own” - ISV) and as spokespeople (”to proclaim the wonderful deeds” - ISV).

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